December 1, 2012
Alan M. Hochman
12/1, 8:40pm
Alan M. Hochman
so whats up
Joe Rosen
12/1, 9:40pm
Joe Rosen
Hey. Just submitted the latest version of the drawing app to the App Store. If you’d still like the latest version and don’t want to wait the week or two it will take for Apple to release it, lemme know (will require your iPad’s unique device ID as explained a couple of days ago). Otherwise not a thing (re: “what’s up”), an unusually boring, dull, and routine existence and waiting for three days of Northern CA winter rain to end.
Alan M. Hochman
12/1, 9:41pm
Alan M. Hochman
sounds upbeat
Joe Rosen
12/1, 9:41pm
Joe Rosen
Ha, yeah.
Alan M. Hochman
12/1, 9:42pm
Alan M. Hochman
Did you have any family washed out by Sandy in Brooklyn??
Joe Rosen
12/1, 9:45pm
Joe Rosen
I have some old friends that got slammed pretty hard, in Lido Beach LI (at the edge of Long Beach LI), Atlantic basically was in their ground floor. But they survived, lost two cars and had a huge flood (waist deep water at the street), but came through okay w/ property otherwise relatively in tact. No friends or family in Brooklyn anymore, Manhattan friends all did okay albeit no power for a week. My sister lives in South Florida, as does my Ma, who just turned 89. You and family I hope weren’t too effected by the storm.
Alan M. Hochman
12/1, 9:46pm
Alan M. Hochman
UWS, just trees down.
Joe Rosen
12/1, 9:46pm
Joe Rosen
Some pictures however from my old Sheepshead Bay childhood haunting grounds were pretty dramatic.
Alan M. Hochman
12/1, 9:46pm
Alan M. Hochman
Son whats next for you??
Joe Rosen
12/1, 9:47pm
Joe Rosen
I have no idea.
Alan M. Hochman
12/1, 9:47pm
Alan M. Hochman
Promising.
Joe Rosen
12/1, 9:47pm
Joe Rosen
I’ve been in Northern CA for 15 years. Maybe time to move on.
Alan M. Hochman
12/1, 9:47pm
Alan M. Hochman
Your already in Mecca
Joe Rosen
12/1, 9:48pm
Joe Rosen
No New York to go back to really. SO dunno what’s next. I think I may’ve mentioned when we spoke a few years back I lived in Oregon for a year in 2000/2001, maybe go back there. I dunno.
Alan M. Hochman
12/1, 9:48pm
Alan M. Hochman
Where in OR?
Joe Rosen
12/1, 9:48pm
Joe Rosen
Portland.
Anwaywhere outside Portland freaked the Jew in me too far out.
Alan M. Hochman
12/1, 9:48pm
Alan M. Hochman
I lived in Eugene in 1976 or 1977
Joe Rosen
12/1, 9:48pm
Joe Rosen
I remember,
Alan M. Hochman
12/1, 9:49pm
Alan M. Hochman
Maybe you should go into another field
Joe Rosen
12/1, 9:49pm
Joe Rosen
Been a weird ride here in the Bay Area. Like I said, maybe time to move on.
Alan M. Hochman
12/1, 9:50pm
Alan M. Hochman
I thought you made it big
Joe Rosen
12/1, 9:50pm
Joe Rosen
Ha, yeah. I’ll be 54 next year.
Had my share of opportunity.
Blew it big the past two years.
Crap shoot, gambling really.
Alan M. Hochman
12/1, 9:50pm
Alan M. Hochman
Why is that
Joe Rosen
12/1, 9:50pm
Joe Rosen
Picking which opportunities to go with. Has nothing to do with anything but timing adn luck.
Product means little or nothing.
That’s Silicon Valley.
Alan M. Hochman
12/1, 9:51pm
Alan M. Hochman
How close did you get??
Joe Rosen
12/1, 9:51pm
Joe Rosen
Amazingly close more than onne time, enough to drive me nuts. But close doens’;t count.
Our old friend Mike never gave up, BTW.
Alan M. Hochman
12/1, 9:51pm
Alan M. Hochman
meaning
Joe Rosen
12/1, 9:51pm
Joe Rosen
He had a great success finally the past two years.
He finally rode along with a winner, purchased by Google.
Alan M. Hochman
12/1, 9:52pm
Alan M. Hochman
what did it do for him
Joe Rosen
12/1, 9:52pm
Joe Rosen
Good for him, he really hung in there. Also came close too many times to count.
He worked about a year for a small company, that I passed on stupidly.
Which got aquired by Google.
But like I said, if anyone worked hader at it than Mike I dunno who. He had his hand in at least 1/2 dozen starups that I knew of. Many came close, but this one struck it big.
But like I said, Las Vegas odds, really hard to predict what will be a financial success and what won’t.
Alan M. Hochman
12/1, 9:54pm
Alan M. Hochman
Whats he doing now at Google??
Joe Rosen
12/1, 9:54pm
Joe Rosen
Timing is everything.
HE’s a senior prototyper/researcher.
Alan M. Hochman
12/1, 9:55pm
Alan M. Hochman
I sold my stupid company in 2000.
Joe Rosen
12/1, 9:55pm
Joe Rosen
I don’t think he’s working on anything to do with his old startup.
But maybe he is, I haven’t talked to him ina few months. We exhange email once ina w hile.
He’s the same, aged really well. He just got married recently.
Alan M. Hochman
12/1, 9:55pm
Alan M. Hochman
May take a full time job to stay in the game
Joe Rosen
12/1, 9:56pm
Joe Rosen
I can’t bring myself to work for anyone these days. It’s a problem.
So much of what people want is stupid. And if I’m gonna work on dumb stuff might as well be my own dumb stuff.
Alan M. Hochman
12/1, 9:56pm
Alan M. Hochman
Why cant you make it big, your a bright guy
Joe Rosen
12/1, 9:56pm
Joe Rosen
Ha, I’m a schmuck.
Seriously, I’ve had my share of opportunity.
The fact that nothing’s struck big is a puzzlement. But a) I’m a schmuck, alweays have been. and b) as I said, soemtimes it’s just timing & luck.
Alan M. Hochman
12/1, 9:57pm
Alan M. Hochman
Are you going to do something with the crayon app?
Joe Rosen
12/1, 9:57pm
Joe Rosen
I dunno. This most recenmt version I just submit is disappointing.
Alan M. Hochman
12/1, 9:58pm
Alan M. Hochman
Its all packaging
why is that
Joe Rosen
12/1, 9:58pm
Joe Rosen
That too maybe.
The business has chanmged I’d say in the past two years even.
Rougher than it was. More people in it tahn ever.
A good app is a lot harder to make than it seems at the surface.
Alan M. Hochman
12/1, 9:58pm
Alan M. Hochman
Just need a decent viral idea
Joe Rosen
12/1, 9:59pm
Joe Rosen
Easier said , right?
The virality part too, harder to nail down that it appears.
Alan M. Hochman
12/1, 9:59pm
Alan M. Hochman
I’ve been working on specing a social hardware product
Investigated manufacturing
Joe Rosen
12/1, 10:00pm
Joe Rosen
Hardware? Tough, requires capital investment. But yeah, at least something tangible, manufacture something and sell it.
Alan M. Hochman
12/1, 10:00pm
Alan M. Hochman
Mobil + Social
Joe Rosen
12/1, 10:00pm
Joe Rosen
One of the pseudo DIver spinoffs sells a 360 video lens for the iPhone.
kogeto.com
Started as a kickstarter project.
Alan M. Hochman
12/1, 10:01pm
Alan M. Hochman
What I learned from selling my company is that their an tons of companies out there that would rather buy the try to build
Joe Rosen
12/1, 10:01pm
Joe Rosen
That’s still true. Buy vs Build….
Also, Google bought the company Mike was workinmg for a sa strategic move, before Facebook bought ’em and to shut ;em down/
Alan M. Hochman
12/1, 10:02pm
Alan M. Hochman
Yes lots of stupid ideas, stupid money
Joe Rosen
12/1, 10:02pm
Joe Rosen
That was my take, dunno the facts but it looked like a strategic move to shut ’em down.
Alan M. Hochman
12/1, 10:02pm
Alan M. Hochman
You got to design for 13 year olds
Joe Rosen
12/1, 10:02pm
Joe Rosen
Amazingly stupid money here. Watched it fly by for 15+ years now.
You have kids, right?
Alan M. Hochman
12/1, 10:03pm
Alan M. Hochman
Twins. 13 year olds.
Joe Rosen
12/1, 10:03pm
Joe Rosen
See, I have no idea what a kid wants. That’s a problem. But plenty of old people like thgeir iPhones, Android devices, etc.
Alan M. Hochman
12/1, 10:03pm
Alan M. Hochman
Kids do not talk on the phone
text, share pictures
Joe Rosen
12/1, 10:03pm
Joe Rosen
Either do I much anymore, BTW. Prefer to do what we’re doing now.
I spent a couple of years after Diver developinga photo/video mobile platform.
Also not as easy as it looks. Got bogged down in tech details, and a partnership that in the end wasn’t so great.
Who you partner with is also extremely important, another lesson.
Alan M. Hochman
12/1, 10:05pm
Alan M. Hochman
I think the crayon could work in some form
Joe Rosen
12/1, 10:05pm
Joe Rosen
I agree. “socail drawing” someone gonna go big w/ that concept, beyond e.g. Zinga/Draw SOmething.
Alan M. Hochman
12/1, 10:06pm
Alan M. Hochman
My son would probably like to deface an image
I like grafitti
Joe Rosen
12/1, 10:06pm
Joe Rosen
I started working on it in June, about 4-5 months ago, right after Draw SOmething was acquired. But again,. got bogged down in detail, really hard to do these things totally on your own.
Alan M. Hochman
12/1, 10:06pm
Alan M. Hochman
in the subways
Joe Rosen
12/1, 10:07pm
Joe Rosen
THat ‘s another idea, BTW, “augmented reality”, draw on top of real imagery, etc. Maybe even in real time.
Alan M. Hochman
12/1, 10:07pm
Alan M. Hochman
Facebook will be looking for real time gaming soon
Joe Rosen
12/1, 10:08pm
Joe Rosen
Been thinking more about that, using the cmaera to detect some real world scene and adding some layer in top of thgat.
Saw something kinda interesting rcently with clothing.
Alan M. Hochman
12/1, 10:08pm
Alan M. Hochman
Anything that keeps you updating your page
Joe Rosen
12/1, 10:08pm
Joe Rosen
Where the clothes had images that came to life when you pointed an app /camera at ’em. Hard to explain….
Alan M. Hochman
12/1, 10:09pm
Alan M. Hochman
Secret in keeping it simple and hip
Joe Rosen
12/1, 10:09pm
Joe Rosen
Simple is key.
Everyone, including people who know better get all caught up in adding unecessary layers, fucnytionality, etc.
Alan M. Hochman
12/1, 10:10pm
Alan M. Hochman
I did that on my last project.
Too much technology
too long to market
too expensive to create
Joe Rosen
12/1, 10:11pm
Joe Rosen
To answer your question, earlier, why disappijnted, I think in this version of the crayon app I got off the KEEP IT SIMPLE path. I added a threaded discusion feature, which was a) complicated, b) got away from the images and no words, and c) took too long to implement.
Right, biggest issue for me is focusing on keeping it simple and getting things out as quickly as possible. I followed your last project BTW. The Etsy sort of spinoff.
Alan M. Hochman
12/1, 10:11pm
Alan M. Hochman
Id keep the discussion in FB
Joe Rosen
12/1, 10:12pm
Joe Rosen
I’m wondering if tghere’s FB backlash though, people don’t want their account info shared w/ 3rd party apps, Everyone’s suspsicious.
Alan M. Hochman
12/1, 10:12pm
Alan M. Hochman
My kids dont use FB
Joe Rosen
12/1, 10:12pm
Joe Rosen
I know someone who wnet to work at Etsy near the ebginning, moved from here back to NY. Thpought he was nuts at the time, gave up a good job at Yahoo.
Alan M. Hochman
12/1, 10:13pm
Alan M. Hochman
Kids dont understand privacy
or care
Joe Rosen
12/1, 10:13pm
Joe Rosen
INteretsing your kids don’t use Facebook.
Alan M. Hochman
12/1, 10:14pm
Alan M. Hochman
Not visual enough, too much writting
needs to be short and bursty
Camera is the best interface
no talent, skills required
Joe Rosen
12/1, 10:15pm
Joe Rosen
That’s why Instagram is such a big hit. Mentioned this the other day, even drawing may be too much effort.
Instagram filters make everyone feel like an “artist”.
Alan M. Hochman
12/1, 10:16pm
Alan M. Hochman
I think drawing is a more refined skill
Joe Rosen
12/1, 10:16pm
Joe Rosen
They also did nail the user experience, but not a $1Billion worth. Go figure.
Alan M. Hochman
12/1, 10:16pm
Alan M. Hochman
My wife doodles in the car
Joe Rosen
12/1, 10:16pm
Joe Rosen
As I said, this app is VERY crude quick drawing, nothing like Paper or other more sophiticated iPAd drawing apps,
if you want o try the latest version of the Crayon app on your wife’s iPad use this app to get the device ID< and email it to me joro@stanford.edu
I’ll compile a prerelease version of the app you can downlaod.
Hang on for URL
THis app gets UDID: https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/ad-hoc-helper/id285691333?mt=8
Alan M. Hochman
12/1, 10:17pm
Alan M. Hochman
Ill ask my wife she has the iPad
Joe Rosen
12/1, 10:17pm
Joe Rosen
Gotta head out… getting late here.
Alan, great to talk. Let’s keep the conversation going.
Alan M. Hochman
12/1, 10:18pm
Alan M. Hochman
If you’d like some help lemme know
like to show you my hardware concept
Joe Rosen
12/1, 10:18pm
Joe Rosen
ALways if you have any suggestions at all PLEASE keep me posted. Open to any and all partnering.
Hang on, have a hardware URL for you, something Ic am across recently
LIke stickers you could put on stuff, small cherap stickers that make net connections.
Alan M. Hochman
12/1, 10:20pm
Alan M. Hochman
When you have 30 min, we can chat over skype
Joe Rosen
12/1, 10:20pm
Joe Rosen
Found it, GreenGoose
Spoke to this companmy a few months back.
YOu just remonded me when you ewmnrtioned social hardware.
Alan M. Hochman
12/1, 10:21pm
Alan M. Hochman
Wearbles for 13 year old
s
Joe Rosen
12/1, 10:22pm
Joe Rosen
Alan M. Hochman
12/1, 10:22pm
Alan M. Hochman
Wearable fashion accessory
Joe Rosen
12/1, 10:22pm
Joe Rosen
The wearbales as I said could be interesting.
Joe Rosen
12/1, 10:23pm
Joe Rosen
You should think about not just embedding ahdrware in clothes or tangible objects, but some kind of patterns that could be picked up by smartphone cmaeras and used to create an augmented relaity experience. The clothingc ompany I emntioned, they had tshorts that sorta came to life.
Alan M. Hochman
12/1, 10:23pm
Alan M. Hochman
I spent a couple of months researching and documenting
No embedding in cloths
Joe Rosen
12/1, 10:23pm
Joe Rosen
I have another friend here who’s a clothing designer working ona rpoduct now (fpor adults) that combines wearbale sand phones.
Alan M. Hochman
12/1, 10:24pm
Alan M. Hochman
thats kinda what im saying. wearable + phone + internet
Joe Rosen
12/1, 10:24pm
Joe Rosen
What I still love about software is you can build the busienss w/o a heavy cash investment. Combine taht perhaps with tangible goods like wearables, a great combo.
Alan M. Hochman
12/1, 10:25pm
Alan M. Hochman
Mobile app that uses either WiFi Direct or Bluetooth
to communicate with wearable
Not techy
Joe Rosen
12/1, 10:26pm
Joe Rosen
Kickstarter also a great venue to raise small seed $. i.e. anything tangible.
Alan M. Hochman
12/1, 10:26pm
Alan M. Hochman
Yes but you need to be far ahead and can build
and have a team
Joe Rosen
12/1, 10:26pm
Joe Rosen
Well, please keep the disucssion going.
From the software side, I could help.
Alan M. Hochman
12/1, 10:27pm
Alan M. Hochman
When you have 30 min, Ill share my PPT
Most of my software friends are working full time no time to do startup concepts
Also learning Ardunio prototyping
Joe Rosen
12/1, 10:28pm
Joe Rosen
Let’s aim for Monday maybe? Headed out now, already 30 mins late. Will sign NDA too (-: if you like, no issue with that. Funny story BTW, when I was working w/ Mobltz, had an informal VC meeting w/ someone I thought was a friewnd, asked him to sign an NDA, got laughed outta the rom.
Joe Rosen
12/1, 10:28pm
Joe Rosen
room
Alan M. Hochman
12/1, 10:29pm
Alan M. Hochman
VCs dont sign nda’s
Joe Rosen
12/1, 10:29pm
Joe Rosen
Exactly./
Alan M. Hochman
12/1, 10:29pm
Alan M. Hochman
Monday is fine speak then. Best mid day ET
Joe Rosen
12/1, 10:30pm
Joe Rosen
Later. Back ina few hours. Mid day ET is fine, maybe before noon Monday. WIll keep you posted, please do the same. Later.
Alan M. Hochman
12/1, 10:30pm
Alan M. Hochman
sure.
December 3, 2012
Alan M. Hochman
12/3, 7:56pm
Alan M. Hochman
Let me know when your around.
December 3, 2012
Joe Rosen
12/3, 11:13pm
Joe Rosen
Hey, Alan H. Will try again another day. I’m sure we’ll see each other here.
Alan M. Hochman
12/4, 12:56am
Alan M. Hochman
lets make a time to get together.
December 6, 2012
Alan M. Hochman
12/6, 5:34pm
Alan M. Hochman
joe i took some pictures for you’
Alan M. Hochman
12/6, 5:36pm
Alan M. Hochman
From nyc subway
download
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download
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Alan M. Hochman
12/6, 5:37pm
Alan M. Hochman
I like the idea of defacing photographs, part of a long history of graffiti
Kids like it, trouble makers like it, what can be bad?
Drawing takes skill, defacing images does not
Joe Rosen
12/6, 7:16pm
Joe Rosen
good suggestions, Crayovie idea started out as somethin similar. will write later & explain. weird week here, big storm last weekend & back 2 back power outages @ my apt in the Presidio.
Alan M. Hochman
12/6, 7:18pm
Alan M. Hochman
lets speak later if you can make it. time for diner.
December 7, 2012
Joe Rosen
12/7, 9:16pm
Joe Rosen
Still wanna talk, sorry, been a weird week, what with the two back 2 back power outages. BTW, just released another version of Crayovie (version 1.2.0), a few improvements and most notably the ability to add comments to doodles. It (version 1.2.0) should be in the App Store shortly, Apple usually process fairly quickly after approval and developer release. Anyway, when’s a good time for you? I’m around all weekend.
Alan M. Hochman
12/7, 10:19pm
Alan M. Hochman
im around to nite
Joe Rosen
12/7, 11:43pm
Joe Rosen
Sure. You still awake? Just making some coffee here and heating up a sad last slice of Frozen Trader Joe’s Apple Pie for dessert.
December 8, 2012
Alan M. Hochman
12/8, 12:53pm
Alan M. Hochman
Joe sorry I missed you let’s try again today
Joe Rosen
12/8, 12:53pm
Joe Rosen
Hey, just having first cup of coffee…..
Cell #?
Or joerosen1 on Skype (usually offline w/ Skype so give a heads up b4 Skype-ing).
Alan M. Hochman
12/8, 12:57pm
Alan M. Hochman
9176271012
Wrong
Joe Rosen
12/8, 12:57pm
Joe Rosen
Now okay w/ you?
Alan M. Hochman
12/8, 12:57pm
Alan M. Hochman
9176261012
Joe Rosen
12/8, 12:58pm
Joe Rosen
YOu OK to talk now?
I’ll give you a try, can’t talk okay too.
Alan M. Hochman
12/8, 2:22pm
Alan M. Hochman
Joe since I have a drawing family wife and child I’ll do a little research on what programs and what they’re doing.
Later on I’d like to do a call where I can do some screen sharing and show you what I’ve been working on
Joe Rosen
12/8, 2:47pm
Joe Rosen
That’s be great, looking forward to seeing what you’re up to and what you’ve been thinking about. As for the drawing app, I agree, not for everyone. The description is here:
http://www.crayovie.com/?t=about
Just two sentences, really a very simple idea. Dunno if it’s worth getting any more sophisticated w/ this beyond the Twitter metaphor. Download for iPad BTW, here’s the link again (App store link @ below page/url):
http://www.crayovie.com/?t=apps
Headed out shortly but back later today.
Crayovie
Alan M. Hochman
12/8, 3:11pm
Alan M. Hochman
My son is using the free version of http://rapidrabbit.com/iphone-ipod/spray-can/ but getting ready to purchase the upgrade Pro for $1.99.
Spray Can | rapidrabbit Apps
rapidrabbit.com
Spray Can is the ultimate graffiti- and painting-app for iPhone, iPad and iPod touch, designed by rapidrabbit. Its first version was released in 2009
December 9, 2012
Joe Rosen
12/9, 2:07pm
Joe Rosen
Alan, this video sort of nails down the issue for me:
http://www.collegehumor.com/video/6853117/look-at-this-instagram-nickelback-parody
Play Video
Look at this Instagram (Nickelback Parody)
The pictures you want to remember. A song you want to forget.Now available on iTunes
Joe Rosen
12/9, 2:08pm
Joe Rosen
i.e. Why Instagram’s a great success, why kids like Spray Can, and why ideas like Crayovie won’t catch a spark.
Alan M. Hochman
12/9, 2:09pm
Alan M. Hochman
hi
Joe Rosen
12/9, 2:10pm
Joe Rosen
Hey, that video just about tells the story as best I can .
Alan M. Hochman
12/9, 2:13pm
Alan M. Hochman
Funny
Joe Rosen
12/9, 2:14pm
Joe Rosen
Yeah. Basically what we were discussing.
Alan M. Hochman
12/9, 2:14pm
Alan M. Hochman
My daughter likes Instagram son likes spraycan. Curation vs creation
My daughter takes pictures of clothes she just bought
Ice cream sunday sjhe just ordered
Joe Rosen
12/9, 2:16pm
Joe Rosen
The formula for a successful product is in the mix of the two (curation/social and creative).
Alan M. Hochman
12/9, 2:16pm
Alan M. Hochman
Son likes to create new album covers for PSY – GANGNAM STYLE
Joe Rosen
12/9, 2:17pm
Joe Rosen
Ha, Psy: http://www.crayovie.com/?fid=jdmwlv6eztm4
Alan M. Hochman
12/9, 2:17pm
Alan M. Hochman
He started with an image of a brick wall and drew on it
His is cooler
Joe Rosen
12/9, 2:18pm
Joe Rosen
Anyway, not certain where to go next, what project’s next. But please let’s keep the conversation going..
Happy Chanuka (Sadly, haven’t seen a Jew here in months.)
Alan M. Hochman
12/9, 2:19pm
Alan M. Hochman
I want to show you my project
Maybe tomorrow, im at a ski lodge
Joe Rosen
12/9, 2:19pm
Joe Rosen
Wanna see it, sounds good will look for you tomorrow or back here later today too.
Alan M. Hochman
12/9, 2:19pm
Alan M. Hochman
My project is sexier
Joe Rosen
12/9, 2:20pm
Joe Rosen
I’m sure it is!
Alan M. Hochman
12/9, 2:20pm
Alan M. Hochman
Not today, im in nowhere land, lotsa driving today
Joe Rosen
12/9, 2:20pm
Joe Rosen
Safe travels, will look for you tomorrow.
Alan M. Hochman
12/9, 2:20pm
Alan M. Hochman
Im aiming at tweens, teens and yng adults
December 10, 2012
Alan M. Hochman
12/10, 11:51am
Alan M. Hochman
u around
December 11, 2012
Alan M. Hochman
12/11, 2:17pm
Alan M. Hochman
hello
Joe Rosen
12/11, 2:22pm
Joe Rosen
Hey. I have to leave my place in about ~20 mins or less. Sorry, been an unusually busy few days. Wanna try and chat for a few minutes now?
Alan M. Hochman
12/11, 2:23pm
Alan M. Hochman
could can we do screen share and skype?
Joe Rosen
12/11, 2:24pm
Joe Rosen
Hang on I’ll launch Skype, joerosen1
Gah, no Mic on this PC though.
OKay, Skype open on my PC.
Alan M. Hochman
12/11, 2:25pm
Alan M. Hochman
ok
Joe Rosen
12/11, 2:25pm
Joe Rosen
THere’s a screen share option I assume someplace? Never used it.
Alan M. Hochman
12/11, 2:29pm
Alan M. Hochman
im connected via skype?
Joe Rosen
12/11, 2:29pm
Joe Rosen
Someone’s already SKype calling, that you?
Alan M. Hochman
12/11, 2:29pm
Alan M. Hochman
yes
Joe Rosen
12/11, 2:29pm
Joe Rosen
Me too, can u hear me?
Alan M. Hochman
12/11, 2:29pm
Alan M. Hochman
mccjobs
no
connect.acrobat.com/commonplace
Joe Rosen
12/11, 2:40pm
Joe Rosen
http://share-ring.us/
Joe Rosen
12/11, 3:04pm
Joe Rosen
http://www.seamonkeysrule.info/apps/photos/photo?photoid=79442046
http://www.neilsethlevine.com/
Joe Rosen
12/11, 3:38pm
Joe Rosen
Love it, great idea. Thanks for sharing. More later.
Alan M. Hochman
12/11, 4:07pm
Alan M. Hochman
You want to do this with me: http://nexttopmakers.com/
New York’s Next Top Makers
nexttopmakers.com
New York City is challenging makers, designers, and engineers to develop new products with commercial potential.
Alan M. Hochman
12/11, 4:08pm
Alan M. Hochman
re: JewelCo
Alan M. Hochman
12/11, 4:08pm
Alan M. Hochman
http://3dea.openhouse.me/new-yorks-next-top-makers-now-at-3dea/
http://3dea.openhouse.me/new-yorks-next-top-makers-now-at-3dea/
3dea.openhouse.me
Alan M. Hochman
12/11, 4:50pm
Alan M. Hochman
http://nexttopmakers.com/submissions/new
Joe Rosen
12/11, 7:10pm
Joe Rosen
The upside to these kinds of things is in meeting new people, contacts, potential collaborators, funders, etc. It’s always a mistake to try and build stuff alone. Alas, I honestly feel “too old” right now for those kinds of contests and events. I feel like the “creepy old person in the room” (which I am!) when I attend a talk or participate in those kinds of things. But that doesn’t mean I don’t want to continue trying out new ideas. Loved the social/digital jewel product we discussed. I’ll think more about it and write again if I have anything of value/interest to add. Meanwhile, keep me posted, glad to consult on the software side, and help bring the idea further along.
December 13, 2012
Alan M. Hochman
12/13, 12:37am
Alan M. Hochman
you watching the concert
December 18, 2012
Alan M. Hochman
12/18, 10:41pm
Alan M. Hochman
whats up
Joe Rosen
12/18, 10:41pm
Joe Rosen
Eh, about to take a shower and get this: GO TO SLEEP.
Alan M. Hochman
12/18, 10:41pm
Alan M. Hochman
so early?
Joe Rosen
12/18, 10:41pm
Joe Rosen
I need to buy a new car, been dealing with that this afternoon, depressed the hell outta me!
Alan M. Hochman
12/18, 10:42pm
Alan M. Hochman
what kind?
Joe Rosen
12/18, 10:42pm
Joe Rosen
I was thinking the cheapest possible reliable transportation, so I started today w/ base 2013 Corolla. But everything I’ve read this evening says “don’t buy that car”.
I have two old cars I first need to unload, which is also proving difficult. One of which I’m particularly attached to.
Alan M. Hochman
12/18, 10:43pm
Alan M. Hochman
I drive a Volvo XC70 2004, 160,000 miles
What kinda car do u need to unload
Joe Rosen
12/18, 10:44pm
Joe Rosen
I’ve got a ’91 Miata which I never drive anymore. Breaks my heart to let it go but I think the time has come. Hang on I’ll send some picts, like porno (eh, not quite but good just the same)….
Alan M. Hochman
12/18, 10:45pm
Alan M. Hochman
whats the other
car
Joe Rosen
12/18, 10:45pm
Joe Rosen
http://www.mobltz.net/player_lite.php?mid=1330985202
My dad’s ’92 Camry. I’ve had it here since maybe 2005. Was in Florida at my sister’s before that.
Been using the Camry as every day junk transport since then. But now after 2 decades is starting to finally feel unreliable (-:.
Alan M. Hochman
12/18, 10:47pm
Alan M. Hochman
I can ask some friends who are looking for cars
Joe Rosen
12/18, 10:47pm
Joe Rosen
Delaer offered me $1500 for the Camry, I was shocked. Thought it was junk.
Alan M. Hochman
12/18, 10:48pm
Alan M. Hochman
Dealer w/ trade in
Joe Rosen
12/18, 10:48pm
Joe Rosen
<60K miles. They said they could get $3K for it, again I was shocked. So they ofefred me 1/2 on trade in.
Alan M. Hochman
12/18, 10:48pm
Alan M. Hochman
thats standard
Joe Rosen
12/18, 10:48pm
Joe Rosen
I figured it worthless, the salesmen apologized to me when he made the $1.5K offer, I laughed.
Alan M. Hochman
12/18, 10:48pm
Alan M. Hochman
whats wrong w/ Miata
Joe Rosen
12/18, 10:49pm
Joe Rosen
I laughed becviuse I thought it was worthless. He thought I was insulted.
Alan M. Hochman
12/18, 10:49pm
Alan M. Hochman
keep laughing
Joe Rosen
12/18, 10:49pm
Joe Rosen
The Miata is in PERFECT condition, got it new in ’91. You may recall my dad was in the business sorta.
Just time to let it go. It just sits in my one parking space.
Alan M. Hochman
12/18, 10:49pm
Alan M. Hochman
dont remember
How much for Miata? # miles?
Joe Rosen
12/18, 10:50pm
Joe Rosen
I need reliable old man transportation now. Tired of riding around in old cars.
Joe Rosen
12/18, 10:51pm
Joe Rosen
I have no idea what to ask for the Miata, Dealer offered me $1K which I also laughed but because that was crazy low. I see it’s actually starting to become collectible. I have a friend here who sells classics, I emailed him this afternoon to get an idea of valkue, waiting for his response.
Alan M. Hochman
12/18, 10:51pm
Alan M. Hochman
My Volvo is 8 years old, zero issues, none
Joe Rosen
12/18, 10:51pm
Joe Rosen
That’s what I hear, re: Volvos.
Alan M. Hochman
12/18, 10:52pm
Alan M. Hochman
New volvos give you 5 years complete built in service
Joe Rosen
12/18, 10:52pm
Joe Rosen
I really don’t want to spend much though, and I want to buy new. I have a mishagus w/ new.
Alan M. Hochman
12/18, 10:52pm
Alan M. Hochman
You mean 20K?
Joe Rosen
12/18, 10:52pm
Joe Rosen
So I’m looking at cheap compacts, Corolla, Hyundai, Honda, even Ford.
Max $20K, I was thinking even less.
Could get the base Corolla for $15K.
Alan M. Hochman
12/18, 10:53pm
Alan M. Hochman
Id go w/ Honad, I used to have one, relaible
Honda
Joe Rosen
12/18, 10:54pm
Joe Rosen
Civic much nicer car than Toyota Corolla. Alas, the Toyota dealer is around the corner. I found the whole experience of even walking over there 10 blocks away exhausting (-:.
Anyway, the whole process freaked me out. Worse than when I was looking to buy an apartment a few years back.
Alan M. Hochman
12/18, 10:54pm
Alan M. Hochman
http://www.volvocars.com/us/all-cars/volvo-c30/tools/Pages/offers.aspx
25K
Joe Rosen
12/18, 10:56pm
Joe Rosen
Even $15K right now seems like a lot. Crazy expenses. I’ll figure it out. Headed to shower. Will maybe take a look at the Volvo, test drive, I hadn’t considered it, but you the 2nd person today to say Volvo.
Later.
Alan M. Hochman
12/18, 11:01pm
Alan M. Hochman
Drive 20K miles per year
December 20, 2012
Alan M. Hochman
12/20, 5:56pm
Alan M. Hochman
interesting: ifttt.com
December 21, 2012
Alan M. Hochman
12/21, 2:29pm
Alan M. Hochman
whats up today. What are you doing for the holidays??
Joe Rosen
12/21, 2:43pm
Joe Rosen
Hi Alan. No plans for the Xmas weekend, I’ll be around. Very gloomy Winter Solstice day here, big rain. Plan for today: expanding an Amazon Web Services Elastic Block Store (virtual HD) from 80GB to 100GB. Very unexciting life, might as well just be dead already. (-:.
Alan M. Hochman
12/21, 2:44pm
Alan M. Hochman
Very gloomy, seasonal depression. Please get help.
Do something fun.