FB Thread 11/2012

Joe Rosen

Hi Alan, I figure it couldn’t hurt for you to add another Rosen to your 8 friends here (-:. Joe.

November 27, 2012

Alan M. Hochman

11/27, 5:18pm

Alan M. Hochman

like the crayons

Joe Rosen

11/27, 5:18pm

Joe Rosen

HEY!!

Alan M. Hochman

11/27, 5:19pm

Alan M. Hochman

what u doin

Joe Rosen

11/27, 5:19pm

Joe Rosen

If you have an iPad or iPhone please give it a  try! Still in Beta but need people to actually try it.

Alan M. Hochman

11/27, 5:19pm

Alan M. Hochman

dont have either

Joe Rosen

11/27, 5:19pm

Joe Rosen

Sad.

Alan M. Hochman

11/27, 5:19pm

Alan M. Hochman

just an old Droid phone and an Air

very sad:(

Joe Rosen

11/27, 5:20pm

Joe Rosen

Much better on the device, the website is just an after thought.

Putting all my development energy into the App, not the web site.

Alan M. Hochman

11/27, 5:20pm

Alan M. Hochman

wahat are u doin with yourself

Joe Rosen

11/27, 5:20pm

Joe Rosen

Mostly just sitting around in a nervous stupor. But spent the last few months working on this project.

Alan M. Hochman

11/27, 5:21pm

Alan M. Hochman

How can I help. I looking for work, doin some pro bono stuff to beef up skills

Joe Rosen

11/27, 5:21pm

Joe Rosen

Man, I’d LOVE to partner with you on a project.

Still think about my old friend from our NYU days.

Alan M. Hochman

11/27, 5:21pm

Alan M. Hochman

R u still at Stanford

Joe Rosen

11/27, 5:22pm

Joe Rosen

Sorta. I’m still maintaining the old project I talked to you about a few years back (I still have a STanford phone and email address) but not on staff full time anymore.

Been almost 2 years, actually.

Time goes by quickly.

Alan M. Hochman

11/27, 5:23pm

Alan M. Hochman

2 years doing what?

Did you ever get that video thing off the ground??

Joe Rosen

11/27, 5:24pm

Joe Rosen

A couple of long stories to share. But now must head out and get a lbs of coffee. Back later. Let’s talk. Spent the past two years mostly developing my own projects, which may or may not have been a huge mistake. Turned down one or two opportunities which at the time seemed lame but could’a been better choices.

Alan M. Hochman

11/27, 5:25pm

Alan M. Hochman

U have time tomorrow, speak by phone/skype

Joe Rosen

11/27, 5:25pm

Joe Rosen

Diver never was commercialized. ANd I worked ona  second video project (mobile), called Mobltz (go to www.mobltz.net) that predated Instagram, but also never took off.

Alan M. Hochman

11/27, 5:26pm

Alan M. Hochman

Ive just been spec’ing concepts in PPT

Joe Rosen

11/27, 5:26pm

Joe Rosen

That was it at STanford. Then the past two years or so trying it on my own.

Tomorrow or later today. Back soon. MUST get some coffee now.

Alan M. Hochman

11/27, 5:26pm

Alan M. Hochman

Did your brooklyn hommies get wiped out

Joe Rosen

11/27, 5:27pm

Joe Rosen

Just brewed the last of it in that old giant More.com cup (yet another failed dot com).

Alan M. Hochman

11/27, 5:27pm

Alan M. Hochman

ping me when u like

Joe Rosen

11/27, 5:27pm

Joe Rosen

Excellent!

Later

Alan M. Hochman

11/27, 5:27pm

Alan M. Hochman

sure

Joe Rosen

11/27, 5:27pm

Joe Rosen

Glad you like the Crayon idea.

The idea’s basically a “right brained” Twitter, 90 seconds (as compared w/ 140 characters) to draw whatever’s on your mind.

Just a handful of beta users for now, but they seem to like the idea.

Alan M. Hochman

11/27, 5:28pm

Alan M. Hochman

My wife has an ipad, what is the url?

she draws amazingly w/ brushes

Joe Rosen

11/27, 5:29pm

Joe Rosen

http://www.crayovie.com/?t=apps

Alan M. Hochman

11/27, 5:29pm

Alan M. Hochman

Go get your coffeee

Joe Rosen

11/27, 5:30pm

Joe Rosen

Very crude drawing tools though, the concept is just free association, quick doodle of whatever you’re thinking about.

Okay, COFFEE. Back soon.

(Nothin’ changes, man. Good to talk. Just like old days.)

(I’m still filled with a lotta bad ideas, and loved talkin w/ you back in the day.)

November 28, 2012

Alan M. Hochman

11/28, 2:55pm

Alan M. Hochman

wife is signing up for crayovie

on ipad

Joe Rosen

11/28, 2:58pm

Joe Rosen

Hey, that’s great! I’m about to release a new version (1.2.0) later today with bug fixes and two significant new features, 1) automatic loading of more stuff (infinite scrolling); and 2) threaded discussion, i.e. he ability to comment on each doodle right in the app. If you send the UDID of the iPad I’ll add it to the “Adhoc” distribution list and you can automatically install the latest versions w/o first waiting for the Apple App Store nazis to review and release…..

Alan M. Hochman

11/28, 2:59pm

Alan M. Hochman

where do i find the UDID

Had my friend Dave try out last night

Joe Rosen

11/28, 2:59pm

Joe Rosen

https://itunes.apple.com/app/ad-hoc-helper/id285691333?mt=8

Alan M. Hochman

11/28, 2:59pm

Alan M. Hochman

will look at

Joe Rosen

11/28, 3:00pm

Joe Rosen

That app’s very simple, AdHoc Helper, just mail me the UDID generated by the app. joro@stanford.edu

Apple allows something called “over the air” “adhoc” distribution if the developer specifically compiles a device’s UDID into the app binary.

Alan M. Hochman

11/28, 3:00pm

Alan M. Hochman

Wife wants to be your feature beta tester uses lotso these types of apps

Joe Rosen

11/28, 3:01pm

Joe Rosen

That’s how you can get beta testers before going through the App STore review process.

Alan M. Hochman

11/28, 3:01pm

Alan M. Hochman

whats with timer

Joe Rosen

11/28, 3:02pm

Joe Rosen

It’s not a precision drawing app. The whole idea is you have 90 seconds to quickly and crudely doodle whatever’s on your mind.

Alan M. Hochman

11/28, 3:02pm

Alan M. Hochman

but why the rush?

Joe Rosen

11/28, 3:03pm

Joe Rosen

“Right brain” Twitter, 90 seconds to doodle a drawing vs. 140 characters to compose text.

Alan M. Hochman

11/28, 3:03pm

Alan M. Hochman

id say not same constraint

might get better results if user has unlimited time

Joe Rosen

11/28, 3:04pm

Joe Rosen

The point’s not to think too much about it, same as with Twitter’s 140 character limit. But I guess this is more abstract than Twitter, also easier to bang out 140 characters than to draw something. Not everyone likes to draw, everyone likes to write. Seemed like a clever idea, but truth is it may be too abstract.

Joe Rosen

11/28, 3:04pm

Joe Rosen

Open to all suggestions. Still experimenting with the idea.

Alan M. Hochman

11/28, 3:05pm

Alan M. Hochman

not as easy as snapping a photo and posting to instagram

Joe Rosen

11/28, 3:05pm

Joe Rosen

Exactly.

Alan M. Hochman

11/28, 3:05pm

Alan M. Hochman

my kids do instagram

13 yr olders

no skill

rapid

stupid

Joe Rosen

11/28, 3:06pm

Joe Rosen

Instagram’s a success for a whole multitude of reasons, one being a superior user experience, some of which is design driven, and some pure technical execution. But yes, everyone / anyone can snap share a photo, apply a filter and “feel like an artist”, whereas I’ve already encountered that most people hate to draw, too much work.

Alan M. Hochman

11/28, 3:07pm

Alan M. Hochman

my wife does amazing drawing using brushes on her iPhone

mostly driving

there is a big community of artists

Joe Rosen

11/28, 3:09pm

Joe Rosen

I spent several years (and my last two at Stanford) working on a  mobile remix and photo/video sharing app (www.mobltz.net). It failed to gain an audience on a lot of levels, admittedly a very confusing UE, but as importantly it was over intellectualized. The remix idea was too complicated, Instagram (in addition to nailing the UE) just went straight for simple still image sharing. No complex multimedia remixing”

Joe Rosen

11/28, 3:10pm

Joe Rosen

Anyway, I hope she’s not disappointed by Crayovie. If kept in the right perspective (it’s not for precision drawing, just really quick “140 character” doodles), she might like it. I hope so. Either way feeback of any kind is greatly appreciated.

Alan M. Hochman

11/28, 3:10pm

Alan M. Hochman

whats next then

what about the playback sequencer

Joe Rosen

11/28, 3:12pm

Joe Rosen

I’m kinda bogged down in Crayovie @ the moment, but may have to pivot on the idea soon, if it doesn’t gain momentum. Worked on another more commercial prototype before Crayovie, back in June, do you remember a  TV show from our childhood called Winky Dink and You? First “interactive TV show, draw on TV screen w/ crayons and vinyl cover.

Alan M. Hochman

11/28, 3:13pm

Alan M. Hochman

let me know if youd like me to help

Joe Rosen

11/28, 3:13pm

Joe Rosen

The playback sequencer, DIVER is mostly over. Haven’t done any development in almost 3 years. Although three patents were awarded, so we’ll see if any tries to license it. I doubt it at this point. Old news.

Do you remember Winky Dink?

Alan M. Hochman

11/28, 3:13pm

Alan M. Hochman

no winky dink memories

how about minute mouse

Joe Rosen

11/28, 3:14pm

Joe Rosen

short story, based on an old TV cartoon series (called Winky Dink, the first ever “interactive” television program from the days before any of the technology we now love even existed). Take a look at a video document of the prototype:

http://www.mobltz.com/winkydinkapp/

And a quick & dirty video of the App in actual action on an iPad:

Alan M. Hochman

11/28, 3:16pm

Alan M. Hochman

ok watched

Joe Rosen

11/28, 3:17pm

Joe Rosen

Someone brought it to DVD with a boxed set of crayons back in 2001. I’ve been trying to negotiate a licensing deal to make it a virtual app for several months now, things sorta stalled. So I put it down to work on Crayovie. But I think Winky Dink may have some commercial applicability, several business models, including straight forward episode purchases for e.g. $.99 a piece. In the end it’s easier to just have a “real job” (something I also have to do — been working with a small startup here in the health insurance arena just to pay the bills; getting too old for more than one job/project at a  time).

Alan M. Hochman

11/28, 3:18pm

Alan M. Hochman

drawing over video?

Joe Rosen

11/28, 3:19pm

Joe Rosen

Have to head out for lunch, break in a  rainy day here. Back later, if you snag taht UDID with that app send it, I’ll be compiling the new version hopefully by tonight. The older version the one in the APp STore won’t play the newest doodles once the beta testers start drawing on v 1.2.0.

Joe Rosen

11/28, 3:19pm

Joe Rosen

Yeah, drawing on to of video. That’s what WInky Dink was. I also managed to grab the domain wqhen the lincence holders oddly let it expire. Winkydinkandyou.com

Alan M. Hochman

11/28, 3:20pm

Alan M. Hochman

Let me know if you’d like to speak over skype

Joe Rosen

11/28, 3:20pm

Joe Rosen

First ever interatcive TV program.

Alan M. Hochman

11/28, 3:20pm

Alan M. Hochman

does anyone care?

new generation

Joe Rosen

11/28, 3:20pm

Joe Rosen

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winky_Dink_and_You

Hard to say.

May be beyond nostalgia at this point.

Alan M. Hochman

11/28, 3:21pm

Alan M. Hochman

lets speak when you awake

Joe Rosen

11/28, 3:21pm

Joe Rosen

Yeah, would be good to talk, will look for ya later.

Alan M. Hochman

11/28, 3:21pm

Alan M. Hochman

willdo

Joe Rosen

11/28, 3:23pm

Joe Rosen

again, adhoc helper is best/easiest way to snag device ID, https://itunes.apple.com/app/ad-hoc-helper/id285691333?mt=8

Then I can send a direct link which you just click on iPad Safari browser and it will auto download the app to the device. Later. Need food before it rains again.

Alan M. Hochman

11/28, 3:23pm

Alan M. Hochman

lemme know when you like to speak

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